Dyke, Duke, Duncan, Drake
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I saw surnames Dyke and Duke as my genetic cousins, still Duncan and Drake (via my genetic cousin)
Van Dyke , Duke это фамилии части моих генетических кузенов по тестам.
Olga Van Dyke
моя 4-оя генетическая кузена -
my 4th Genetic cousin on 23andMe.
So,
Van Dyke ,
4 генетическая кузена -это пересечение
по прапрапрапредкам (3-пра- дедушке или 3 пра-бабушке_
я делю с Olga Van Dyke.
И ещё с
Dyke
+ still more in FTDNA,
my 5st genetic Cousin - Remote Cousin
her ancestors are
Dyke (Orkney Isles),
Kassel.
we shared
35 cM, longest 8 cM
5st genetic Cousin - Remote Cousin
И ещё нашла,
Duke
3 разныз челоека в Family Finder,
+ 3 Genetic FF cousins in FTDNA as
Duke
or having Duke
30cM-9cM,
27cM-11cM,
25cM-8 cM
as
my
5th Cousin-Remote cousin,
4th cousin-Remote Cousin,
5th Cousin - Remote cousin
I have sill my genetic cousins
Duncan
in Gedmatch
as my 4.8 genetic cousin,
17.8 cM - 11.1 cM - 4.8 generations
my 4.8 genetic cousin Duncan's
- 4.6 genetic cousin (..) Drake
- 4.7 genetic cousin Wayne King II (Surnames)
- 4.7 genetic cousin is () Baldwin,
-------- his 3rd cousin KIng (surname King)
Wayne King II is 4.7 genetic cousin of my 4.8 genetic cousin Duncan
- (...) Drake is 4.3 genetic cousin of Wayne King II whom is 4.7 genetic cousin of my 4.8 genetic cousin Duncan
- Kennery is is 4.3 genetic cousin of Wayne King II whom is 4.7 genetic cousin of my 4.8 genetic cousin Duncan
Drake is 4.3 genetic cousin of Wayne King II whom is 4.7 genetic cousin of my 4.8 genetic cousin Duncan
... Drake ancestor was
... Drake потомок :
Sheriff of Devon John Dr ASHE
(1500-1588) и
Anne (Amy) Granville
(1513-1517),
их сын
Robert Drake of Wiscome Park
(1528-1608), ...
John Drake of Ottoman, Devon, England
(1388-),
John Drake of Exmuth
(1350m Ashe, Dorset, England).
Drake,
Sir Bernand Drake of Ashe,
Sir Roger Granville,
Geraldine De Drakes.
В плане, тоже на Д. пересекается с Duncan .
..
my 4.2 genetic cousin.
Drake sounds near to Dracule, Drakule.
Копнула лист
Sheriffs of Devon, in England,
- 1068-1098 -
Baldwin de Moeles (or de Brienne),
Baldwin FitzGillbert (Norman magnat),
whom is
youngest son of
Gilbert
(1015-1040)
(House of Normany,
(Baldiwn, Count of Flanders)
...,, de Clare,
bastard of Richard I ,
Richard Sans-Peur,
Richard I ,
Richard Sans-Peur
(28.08.933/934 - 20.11.996)
Герцог Нормандии с 942 годаб
сын Вильгельма I и Спроты.
Был женат дважды.
Первая жена Ричарда IБесстрашного
была Эмма Парижская, дочь Гуго Великого.
Вторая жена была Гуннор де Крепон (умерла в 1031)
У Ричарда I было 9 законнорождённых детей и 3 неофиальных потомком.
Richard I ,
Richard Sans-Peur
'es
daugther
Эмма Нормандская
Emma Normandy
(982- 06 Mar 1052)
was
- a wife of English King
Ethelred The Unready
during 1002-1016,
- a wife of
Danish-English-Norway
King Cnut The Grand,
- her nephew was English King too,
- some as two sons.
From Wikipedia
Cnut The Great
(b. c.;995[5] – d. 12 November 1035),
also known as
Canute, whose father was Sweyn Forkbeard
King of England
Reign 1016–1035
Coronation 1017 in London
Predecessor Edmund Ironside
Successor Harold Harefoot
King of Denmark
Reign 1018–1035
Predecessor Harald II
Successor Harthacnut
King of Norway
Reign 1028–1035
Predecessor St Olaf II
Successor Magnus the Good
Born c.;995
Denmark
Died 12 November 1035 (aged 40)
Shaftesbury, Dorset, England
Burial Old Minster, Winchester, England. Bones now in Winchester Cathedral, Winchester, England
Spouse
Elfgifu of Northampton
Emma of Normandy
Cnut
was a son of
the Danish prince Sweyn Forkbeard, who was the son and heir to
King Harald Bluetooth and thus came from a line of Scandinavian rulers central to the unification of Denmark.
The Chronicon of Thietmar of Merseburg and the Encomium Emmae report
Cnut's mother
as having been a daughter of
Mieszko I of Poland.
Norse sources of the High Middle Ages, most prominently Heimskringla by Snorri Sturluson, also give
a Polish princess as Cnut's mother,
whom they call Gunhild and a daughter of Burislav,
the king of Vindland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnut_the_Great
wind - винд - ветер
wends - венды винды = СЛАВЯНЕ, славяне в Германии, Западные славяне, словены в Римской Империи
From Wikipedia
Vindland
Wends (Old English: Winedas; Old Norse: Vindr; German: Wenden, Winden; Danish: vendere; Swedish: vender; Polish: Wendowie) is a historical name for Slavs living near Germanic settlement areas. It does not refer to a homogeneous people, but to various peoples, tribes or groups depending on where and when it is used.
In the Middle Ages the term "Wends" often referred to West Slavs and Slovenes living within the Holy Roman Empire, though not always. The name has possibly survived in Finnic languages
(Finnish: Venаjа, Estonian: Vene, Karelian: Veneа) denoting Russia.
(?Vena in Austria? ---- wends? Venaja? Vene? Venea?)
According to one theory, Germanic peoples first applied this name to the ancient Veneti, and then after the migration period they transferred it to their new neighbours, the Slavs.
For the medieval Scandinavians, the term Wends (Vender) meant Slavs living near the southern shore of the Baltic Sea (Vendland), and the term was therefore used to refer to Polabian Slavs like the Obotrites, Rugian Slavs, Veleti/Lutici and Pomeranian tribes.
For people living in the medieval Northern Holy Roman Empire and its precursors, especially for the Saxons, a Wend (Wende) was a Slav living in the area west of the River Oder, an area later entitled Germania Slavica, settled by the Polabian Slav tribes (mentioned above) in the north and by others, such as the Sorbs and the Milceni, in the middle.
The Germans in the south used the term Winde instead of Wende and applied it, just as the Germans in the north, to Slavs they had contact with; e.g., the Polabians from Bavaria Slavica or the Slovenes (the names Windic March and Windisch Feistritz still bear testimony to this historical denomination).
Following the 8th century, the Frankish kings and their successors organised nearly all Wendish land into marches. This process later turned into the series of crusades. By the 12th century, all Wendish lands had become part of the Holy Roman Empire. In the course of the Ostsiedlung, which reached its peak in the 12th to 14th centuries, this land was settled by Germans and reorganised.
Due to the process of assimilation following German settlement, many Slavs west of the Oder adopted the German culture and language. Only some rural communities which did not have a strong admixture with Germans and continued to use West Slavic languages were still termed Wends. With the gradual decline of the use of these local Slavic tongues, the term Wends slowly disappeared, too.
Some sources claim that in the 13th century there were actual historic people called Wends or Vends living as far as northern Latvia (east of the Baltic Sea) around the city of Wenden.
Henry of Livonia
(Henricus de Lettis)
in his 13th-century Latin chronicle described
a tribe called the
Vindi.
(Vindi --- ***? winds --?--- vindi, vinds?)
(?* -- Windsor -- wind --- windi - wendi - vindi - wends ---??)
Today, only one group of Wends still exists: the Lusatian Sorbs in present-day eastern Germany.
Veneti (Slavs)
The term "Wends" derived from the Roman-era people called in Latin Veneti, Venedi or Venethi, in Greek ;;;;;;;; / Ouenedai. This people was mentioned by Pliny the Elder and Ptolemy as inhabiting the Baltic coast.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wends
Veneti (Slavs)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_Veneti
Vena Vienna
Venecia Venetia
Aventino
Aven
From Wikipedia
Etymology of the ethnonym Veneti
The Roman empire under Hadrian (117–138 AD), showing the location of the Veneti (Venedi) east of the upper Vistula region (south-eastern Poland and western Ukraine).
The ethnonym would then be etymologically related to words as
Latin
venus, -eris 'love, passion, grace' and in later forms 'beloved, friendly';
Sanskrit
vanas- 'lust, zest', vani- 'wish, desire';
Old Irish
fine (< Proto-Celtic *wenja) 'kinship, kinfolk, alliance, tribe, family';
Old Norse
vinr,
Old Saxon,
Old High German
wini,
Old Frisian,
Old English
wine
'friend',
Norwegian
venn
'friend'.
The name "Wends"
was a historical designation
for Slavs
living near Germanic settlement areas.
Also, the word
wend
meant water
in the Baltic Old Prussian language
suggests that
the Wends were
those who lived by the water or waters.
In the Estonian and Finnish
names for
Russia —
Venemaa and
Venaja
—possibly originate from the name of the
Veneti.
According to the 20th century linguist
Julius Pokorny,
the ethnonym
Veneti
(singular *Venetos)
is derived from
the Proto-Indo-European root
*wenhi-,
'to strive; to wish for, to love'.
As shown by the comparative material,
the Germanic languages may have had two terms of different origin:
Old High German
Winida
'Wende'
points to Pre-Germanic
*wenhetos,
while Lat.-Germ.
Venedi
(as attested in Tacitus)
and Old English
Winedas
'Wends'
call for Pre-Germanic
*wenhietos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_Veneti
Венеды
Венеды, винды
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Венеды
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From Wikipedia
The High Sheriff of Devon is the Queen's representative for the County of Devon, a territory known as his/her bailiwick. Selected from three nominated people, they hold his office over the duration of a year. They have judicial, ceremonial and administrative functions and executes High Court Writs. The office historically was "Sheriff of Devon", changed in 1974 to "High Sheriff of Devon".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sheriff_of_Devon
From Wikipedia
Baldwin FitzGilbert
(died 1086-1091)
(alias
Baldwin the Sheriff, Baldwin of Exeter, Baldwin de Meulles/Moels and Baldwin du Sap) was a Norman magnate
and
one of the 52 Devon Domesday Book tenants-in-chief of
King William the Conqueror.
Surviving motte and ruins of keep of Okehampton Castle,
built by Baldwin FitzGilbert and caput of his feudal barony of Okehampton
Origins
He was originally from Meulles or nearby Le Sap, in Calvados, Normandy. He was a younger son of Gilbert, Count of Brionne and Count of Eu, in Normandy.
Career
Together with his eldest brother Richard FitzGilbert, in 1066 Baldwin accompanied William Duke of Normandy in the Norman Conquest of England.
Following William the Conqueror's successful siege of the Saxon city of Exeter,
that king appointed Baldwin castellan of the newly built
Rougemont Castle in Exeter, a royal castle,
and appointed him hereditary
Sheriff of Devon,
which position he held until his death.
Exeter Castle was thenceforth the official seat of the Sheriff of Devon. King William I also granted him the very large feudal barony of Okehampton in Devon, at the caput of which he built Okehampton Castle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_FitzGilbert
Looking foor his father
from Wikipedia
Gilbert, Count of Brionne
Gilbert (or Giselbert) de Brionne, Counts of Eu and of Brionne
(c.;1000 – c.;1040),
was an influential nobleman in the Duchy of Normandy in Northern France. He was one of the early guardians of Duke William II in his minority.
Gilbert de Brionne was son of Geoffrey, Count of Eu, who was an illegitimate child of Richard I of Normandy.
He inherited Brionne, becoming one of the most powerful landowners in Normandy.
Gilbert was a generous benefactor to Bec Abbey founded by his former knight Herluin in 1031.
When Robert I died in 1035,
his illegitimate son William
inherited his father's title and several powerful nobles, including
Gilbert of Brionne,
Osbern the Seneschal and Alan of Brittany,
became William's guardians
Children
- Sir Richard Fitz Gilbert
(Richard de Clare)
(bef. 1035–c.;1090),
m. Rohese Giffard
(1034-aft. 1113), daughter of Walter Giffard, Lord of Longueville
- Baldwin FitzGilbert (d. 1090)
- William (-after 29 Aug 1060)
- Adela (-Aug 1092), m. Neel II, viscount of Cotentin
Through his eldest son,
Gilbert was ancestor of the English house of de Clare,
of the Barons FitzWalter,
and the Earls of Gloucester (see Earl of Gloucester) and Hertford (see Earl of Hertford).
After Gilbert's death, his uncle William I became Count of Eu whereas Brionne reverted to the duke.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert,_Count_of_Brionne
On Russian
Гилберт (Жильбер) де Брионн
(фр. Gilbert de Brionne; ок. 979/1000 — около марта 1040)
— граф де Брионн с ок. 1015 года, граф д’Э,
сын Жоффруа де Брионна, незаконнорождённого сына герцога Нормандии Ричарда I Бесстрашного.
Гилберт был одним из опекунов малолетнего нормандского герцога Вильгельма, а с 1039 года был фактическим правителем Нормандии, но был убит одним из своих соперников. Гилберт был родоначальником англо-нормандского рода Фиц-Гилбертов (позже — Клеров), игравшего заметную роль в истории Англии.
Жена:
Гуннора д’Ону (ок. 1084 — ?),
дочь Балдерика Тевтонца, сеньора Баквиль-ан-Ко,
по другой версии — Гуннора де Крепон (ок. 933—1031), дочь Херфаста де Крепона, вдова герцога Нормандии Ричарда I.
Дети:
- Ричард Фиц-Гилберт
(до 1035 — ок. апреля 1090), 1-й лорд Клер и Тонбридж, родоначальник английского дворянского дома Клеров
- Гильом де Брионн (ум. после 29 августа 1060)
- Болдуин Фиц-Гилберт (ум. ок. февраля 1090), шериф Девоншира
****
- Адела де Брион; муж: Нигель II де Сен-Совер (ум. август 1092), виконт Котантена
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Гилберт_де_Брионн
Вынесу отдельно
- Болдуин Фиц-Гилберт (ум. ок. февраля 1090), шериф Девоншира
* вот тут я и пересеклась по генетическим тестам с шерифом Девоншире
Sheriff of Devon John Dr Ashe (b. 1500, of Ashne Dorsershire, England, d. 04 Oct 1588 Musbury, Devonshire, England, buried in Parish C. with his wife Anne (or Amy) Granville (birth1513, Stow, Cornwall, England, d.18 Feb 1577, Musbury, Devonshire, a daugther of Sir Roger Granville and Margaret Whitleigh)
* Sheriff of Devon John Dr Ashe (1500 - 1588)was the ancestor of John Drake of Exmuth (b. 1350, Ashe, Dorset, England and Christian Billet (b.1354, a daugther of John Billet of Ashne, a mother of John Drake of Ottorton (b.1388), a grand mother of John Drake of Ottorton (b.1478, Ottorton, Devon, England), a great grandmother of John Drake of Ottorton (b.1448), a 2nd great-grandmother of John Drake of Ashe (1474 - 1554), whom was a father of Sheriff of Devon John Dr Ashe (b. AT 1500, Dorsershire, England, d. 04 Oct 1588, Musbury, Devonshire, buried with his wife Anne (Amy) Granville in Parish C. *One of their some was Sir Bernand Drake of Ashne (1528-1586), another Richard Drake (1535-1607), and another sone was Robert Drake of Wisambe Park (1528-Mar 1600).
*** So, I am a genetic cousin with no any my knowledge of resource of the connection, i remember words of my mother's mother while we lived in USSR land and time, that we had some our closed family relatives abroad before Russian Revolution came with steel barriers and a loss of memory for a better surviving.
** Drake is not Baldwin,
but my father Balzin and my genetic cousins in genetic tests, sime, looking as Baldwin, Ball, Ballam, Balsham, Balzin, Blair, Brown, etc.
So, i picked sounds closed to my family to read the articles about this history.
* Нет Drake фамилия Шерифа Девона в Англии была в 16 веке, я же там просто пользуясь случаем, попутно привела куски информации, это слышалась часть моей фамилии по звукам как фамилии моегоотца Бальзин.
* Я не являюсь родственницей и не могу объяснить, как это получилось, что мои генетические кузены есть те, о ком я никогда не знала. Кромеодного: Ну, бывает.
* Я пользуюсь моментом, просто почитать статьи по Английской истории.
* Но сам факт генетического (не прямого, перекрёстного через других) генетического родства остаётся. И намного интереснее истори в итоге изучать.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Гилберт_де_Брионн
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert,_Count_of_Brionne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror
From Wikipedia
William the Conqueror
William I
(c. 1028 – 9 September 1087), usually known as
William the Conqueror
and sometimes
William the Bastard,
was
the first Norman King of England,
reigning from 1066 until his death in 1087.
A descendant of Rollo, he was Duke of Normandy from 1035 onward.
William was the son of the unmarried Robert I, Duke of Normandy, by Robert's mistress Herleva
Family and children
William and his wife Matilda of Flanders
had at least
nine children:
- Robert was born between 1051 and 1054, died 10 February 1134.
Duke of Normandy,
married Sybilla of Conversano, daughter of Geoffrey, Count of Conversano.
- Richard was born before 1056, died around 1075.
- William was born between 1056 and 1060, died 2 August 1100.
King of England, killed in the New Forest.
- Henry was born in late 1068, died 1 December 1135.
King of England,
married
Edith of Scotland,
daughter of Malcolm III of Scotland.
His second wife was Adeliza of Louvain.
- Adeliza (or Adelida, Adelaide) died before 1113, reportedly betrothed to Harold Godwinson, probably a nun of Saint Leger at Preaux.
- Cecilia (or Cecily) was born before 1066, died 1127,
Abbess of Holy Trinity, Caen.
- Matilda was born around 1061, died perhaps about 1086.
Mentioned in Domesday Book as a daughter of William.
- Constance
died 1090,
married Alan IV Fergent, Duke of Brittany.
- Adela
died 1137,
married Stephen, Count of Blois.
- (Possibly) Agatha,
the betrothed of Alfonso VI of Leon and Castile.
There is no evidence of any illegitimate children born to William.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror
From Wikipedia
William the Conqueror and sometimes William the Bastard,
was the first Norman King of England,
reigning from 1066 until his death in 1087.
A descendant of Rollo, -
Rollo or Gaange Rolf
(Norman: Rou; Old Norse: Hrolfr; French: Rollon; c. 860 – c. 930 AD)
was a Viking who became the first ruler of Normandy, a region of France.
He is sometimes called
the first Duke of Normandy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollo
William was the son of the unmarried
Robert I, Duke of Normandy,
by Robert's mistress
Herleva
Robert the Magnificent (French: le Magnifique,
22 June 1000 – 1–3 July 1035),
was the Duke of Normandy from 1027 until his death in 1035.
He was the son of
Richard II and brother of Richard III, who preceded him as the Duke.
Robert was the son of
Richard II of Normandy
and Judith, daughter of Conan I, Duke of Brittany.
He was also grandson of Richard I of Normandy, great-grandson of William I of Normandy and great-great grandson of Rollo, the Viking who founded Normandy.
According to the medieval Irish text An Banshenchas and Icelandic sources, another daughter, Cadlinar (Kathleen) was born in Scotland (probably to a Scots mother)
and married an Irish prince named Beollan mac Ciarmaic,
later King of South Brega (Lagore).
A daughter of Cadlinar and Beollan named Nithbeorg was abducted by an Icelandic Viking named Helgi Ottarsson, and became the mother of the poet Einarr .
A genetic investigation
into the remains of Rollo's grandson,
Richard the Fearless, and his great-grandson,
Richard the Good,
was announced in 2011
with the intention of discerning the origins of the historic Viking leader.
On 29 February 2016 Norwegian researchers opened Richard the Good's tomb and found his lower jaw with eight teeth in it.
Unfortunately, the skeletal remains in both graves turned out to significantly predate Rollo and therefore are not related to him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_I,_Duke_of_Normandy
On Russian
Rollon
Rolllo
Роллон (Ролло; лат. Rollo; ок. 860 — ок. 932) — первый герцог Нормандии (под именем Роберт I), основоположник Нормандской династии, к которой принадлежал английский король Вильгельм I Завоеватель. Также считается основателем шотландского клана Ролло.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Роллон
* Имя Rollon Роллон напоминает имя Руслан. В "Сказках" А.С.Пушкина.
Из Википедии
Согласно Дудону Сен-Кантенскому и Гийому Жюмьежскому,
Роллон происходил из знатной датской семьи и был вынужден бежать из Дании после смерти своего отца. Скандинавские саги, прежде всего «Сага об оркнейцах», свидетельствуют о норвежских корнях первого правителя Нормандии.
Один из сыновей Рёгнвальда, Турф-Эйнар Рёгнвальдссон стал основателем линии ярлов Оркнейских островов, доминировавших на крайнем севере Британских островов до XII века.
Другой сын, Хрольф (или Рольф) «Пешеход», возглавил крупный отряд викингов.
Он прибыл в 886 году в Западно-Франкское королевство (современную Францию), которую опустошал в течение многих лет.
В 889 году Хрольф, имя которого франки произносили как Роллон, поселился в области нижнего течения реки Сены, совершая набеги на остальные части Франции, включая и окрестности Парижа.
Сен-Клер-сюр-Эптский договор
В 911 году
король Карл III Простоватый,
не имея сил для борьбы с викингами,
заключил с Роллоном
Сен-Клер-сюр-Эптский договор.
По нему монарх
передавал
вождю викингов в лен побережье в районе Сены
с центром в Руане (современная Верхняя Нормандия), Бретань, Кан, Эр
и отдавал в жёны
свою дочь
Гизелу,
а тот взамен признавал своим сеньором
короля Франции
и переходил в христианство.
Семья
Роллон был женат дважды.
Первая жена (возможно, конкубина) —
Поппа (или Попа) из Байё.
Её детьми были:
- Вильгельм Длинный Меч (ум. 942), герцог Нормандии
- Герлок (Адела) (ум. до 962), жена Гильома III Аквитанского
- возможно, Кадлин, жена шотландского короля по имени Бьолан
Второй женой Роллона была
Гизела, дочь короля Карла Простоватого.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Роллон
Шотландский клан Ролло
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Клан_Ролло
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Rollo
Вот собрала так, чуть чуть почитать чтото.
Я простой человек, родилась и жила в СССР. Мы много читали.
"Dyke, Duke, Duncan, Drake"
http://www.proza.ru/2019/01/24/508