Languages - haplogroup ...
At the "relationship" appeared an interesting option (by Dogon) determine the formation of several major languages, with specific carriers haplogroups.
A. Klyosov supported option like this:
«Aklyosov
19/10/2009, 0:38. A very good start, as a working hypothesis. Only once it is clear that calling R "Indo-Europeans" does not work. Why did not I? There can be no equating. I would suggest that a separate set R1a1, and write - the Aryan languages, they also praindoevropeyskie.
R1b - Indo-European languages ;;have adopted (========== in a letter to AA noticed this and die: there is no evidence of the early descendants pratyurkizma R, where N is more suited: PZ) , kentumnaya branch, along with I1/I2. »(end quote)
Such new versions of specialists "kinship" are useful. Linguistics in the interests of their millennia-are increasingly drawn to the history of media haplogroups. But not only AA Klyosov and his colleagues make the mistake of gipertrofiruya formula (thesis), "one male haplogroup - one language".
It is clear that no development "masculine language" will not get, if men do not have children - and usually will be brought up by women (with a long-term intensive language communication). In the development of language has been engaged at least a few carriers of male and female haplogroups. http://www.proza.ru/2010/10/24/336 etc. This is reflected in the table compiled by me.
Given the long-known dates (they can change quickly) in 5 cases (out of 20) of male carriers of the dominant (major, etc.) haplogroups older carrier female dominants. In 11 cases, the dominant older women. Andamantsy, Ainu, "Babylon," Kartvelians, severokavkaztsy names (sometimes conditional, requiring explanation) are approximately equal to the age of the dominant male and female. However, in the development of language remains an important role and non-dominant carriers (minor) haplogroups.
Of course, any refinements are inevitable. But a trend of seniority of women in the formation of a number of languages, ethnic groups - most likely - will continue. And forever bury the thesis of "one man's haplogroup - one language".
==== The beautiful and compelling basis for the findings to date has academician AA Zaliznyak http://www.proza.ru/2009/10/02/239 but clearly does not want to quarrel with the world elite.
"The fact is that, on the one hand, of course, seventy thousand years ago there were some physical ancestors of all of us here present. None of us are born different from both of their parents. And so all seventy thousand years. But on the other hand, the language in which these ancestors spoke, even if it is a straight line of the ancient foundation of what later became the Russian language, was quite as much Russian as well as any of the fifty or a hundred more, or two hundred other languages. And it is quite clear that no such name could not be. "
http://elementy.ru/lib/430714; http://www.proza.ru/2009/10/02/239 etc.
He is the world's elite will never forgive.
Vyacheslav. Vsevl. Ivanov is above the fray, in general, some sympathizing gaplogruppno-linguistic constructs. But too high a figure and the abstract to influence antislavyanskie consolidation in linguistics.
http://www.organizmica.org/archive/609/grv.shtml; http://www.proza.ru/2011/09/15/1218; http://www.trinitas.ru/rus/doc/ 0211/007a/02110004.pdf; http://sites.google.com/site/brateevskijizved/home/knigi/ bibliografia-na-sajte/krivia-zolin-peetr etc.
I see a number of potential linguists, able to withstand antirusizmu. But to their doctoral thesis and they gained the title of professor to call them names will not. Yes, and not the fact that they reached the formal tops, will protect the real depth Glottogonic slavyanstva.http: / / www.proza.ru/2010/01/23/1098.
That and more. http://www.proza.ru/2011/08/21/545
Boris Dolgin: Please tell us about trying to work with genetics and archeology
George Starostin: I have a pre-prepared answers to both questions. It is common, because I was asked this question in more online. So I quickly try to answer it. There is a ton of literature which is devoted to attempts to correlate the results of comparative linguistic data archeology and genetics. According to one Indo-European family life is not enough to list all the literature written on these topics. Unfortunately, it is not all written at the appropriate level - and especially on that regrettable fact that the world is almost no people who would be equally qualified in the field of archeology and linguistics or genetics and linguistics.
I, for one, ill-qualified as an archaeologist or a geneticist - and vice versa, when I read the work of archaeologists and geneticists, almost always, when they begin to operate on linguistic concepts, I want to grab hold of his head. You can give a detailed answer, as we try to correlate these data, but it is a course for 1-2 semesters. The short answer is that all this is in its infancy, because there is no hard and generally accepted criteria for the identification of linguistic data with the archaeological and genetic, and the situation is compounded by the fact that the data from all three areas of science changes all the time and supplemented. We can now construct some reasonable correlative model, put a lot of time on it, and then found a new archaeological layer, or even add a couple of Genetics signs (======= add sets or haplogroups gaplotivov: PZ) by which they classify people - and the whole model will be frozen. I basically set up a very optimistic, and sooner or later, all three types of data are well correlated, but had not yet come a time when we could be doing this in earnest: more and linguists, and archaeologists and geneticists need a lot of work.
George Starostin: If the age of human language was 2 million years, which is highly unlikely, we would in any case not reduced, there would be no way means of comparative and historical linguistics to restore the language that existed 2 million years ago. We humbly hope that it might be possible to restore the language of 30-50 thousand years ago, but I must say that Sergey, despite the fact that he talked a lot about the human proto-language and reasoning on this subject, always clearly identify certain agnosticism on about it, that is, he did not say never, that we have proved the existence of Proto humanity that all people, no doubt, spoke the same language and so on. In many respects it is still a matter of faith. If you ask me whether I believed in the existence of a single proto-language, the language of Adam and Eve, I would say - yes, certainly, I believe, but it has nothing to do with what I was told today.
Voice: Tell me, were there any cases in the study of language, when language was found, which could not be attributed to any family? I read these things, but I suspect that they must be a duck.
George Starostin: No, it's not a duck. There are so-called language-isolates, which, if to a family treat once, very long time ago broke away from her for a long time there by themselves, cooked in its own juice, and today their genetic identity or very difficult to establish, or almost impossible. There are many examples in various parts of the world. For some languages ;;there is a fairly well the hypothesis of their relationship within macrofamily. Basque in Spain, which is often considered an isolate - there is good evidence that he is apparently still part of the Dene-Caucasian language family, a tree which still hangs on the screen. There are languages ;;whose genetic affiliation has even in the framework of macrofamily still quite indeterminate. Sumerian, for example, there are several competing hypotheses about what relatives Sumerian, but none of them is better than another, and hence all are equally bad. In Africa, there are a number of languages, and in America a lot. Apparently, some of them can be divided into further work on individual branches of the common tree, but some may remain so forever and isolates.
"This situation (======== with the change of language: PZ) is very natural for the ancient world, and even in many parts of the world today. For example, the population of the conquered country begins in a matter of urgency to learn the language of the conqueror, or Another, more tricky situation: migrate to any part of the continent some of the male population there begins to interact with local people to marry girls from the local people, they take over with some inevitable mistakes the language of their husbands, and because the language in the first queue is transmitted from mother, and their children begin to speak as they spoke. " http://www.polit.ru/article/2011/01/03/starostin/
With the death of adult men, at all "bottleneck", etc. it is mainly women preserve and develop the languages ;;of these languages ;;to nurture children throughout history. And the number of women in history, their haplogroups is essential.
================= This "haplogroup Klyosov" and others like it can not be aware of. And they are usually read by only yourself, loved ones, and only then, that their building zaviralnye confirmed.
учитывать при переводе http://www.proza.ru/2011/09/25/236 .